Monday, August 14, 2006

Just in case anyone is wondering, I got kicked off MDC

Very strange, I don't quite know why, someone was suggesting that the board was demonic and I took issue with it and reported the comment.

The demonic comment was allowed to stay and I got kicked off the board.

Let me assure you, I was not being obnoxious or abusive in any way, in fact, it was the other way around.

Here is a cut and paste of the notification. Pretty terse, I'd say. I'm in a bit of a shock, so I'll just leave the c and p and comment later.

This is a message from Ms. Mom at MotheringDotCommune Forums ( ). The MotheringDotCommune Forums owners cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.
To email Ms. Mom, you can use this online form:
OR, by email:
This is the message:
On 7-6-06 your access to the Spirituality and Religious Studies forum was removed. Several days later, Cynthia allowed you back with the understanding that you would observe the rules or our User Agreement.
On 8-8-06 our moderator Georgia issued you another alert for posting in manner, which violates our User Agreement. Upon careful consideration and discussions with my peers, we have decided to remove your membership from MDC.
I wish you well in your future endeavors.
MDC Assistant Administrator


At 8:53 PM, Blogger TulipGirl said...

Why in the world am I NOT surprised!? *L*

At 8:55 PM, Blogger TulipGirl said...

Still. . . a bummer, I'm sure. MDC was never quite the right "fit" for me, though I love the mag and a lot of the online articles. Still, I know you've been there awhile and to be removed like that for what seems to be. . . well. . . something less than removal reasons. *Sigh* I'm sorry.

At 12:16 PM, Blogger smothering said...

They suck.

At 7:32 AM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

A poster named Lilyka, who is a poster girl for the wife-only submission crowd, posted *this*,

"and this place can be faith sucking for me. I had to leave for a while. I found myself distracted by pretty illusions and questioning the truth as if it were the lie. I am very cautious to whom I recommend this place based solely on that. and I warn them stearnly to be sure they are not vunreable to spiritual attack when they come here. I feel there are demonic seeds that can get planted in our hearts and minds and take root if we are not cautious. I have watched women of great faith get lured away and it has broken my heart over and over. Just be sure to girde yourself up and put on all your armor "

I responded by taking issue with her snarky tone and suggesting it went against the board's user agreement.

*I* got spanked for having the audacity to say something went against the UA (I was actually told I didn't have the right to say that,) but Lilyka's post remained for over one week (until they banned me for good two days ago.)


More later

At 7:48 AM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

Oh, yes, Lilyka of the wifely submission genere has the nasty abusive husband that has repeatedly cheated on her, comments on another poster (all in the same thread,) whose husband was abusive, neglectful of the children, drugg addicted, and intentionally unemployed, Lilyka actually *encourages* gennifer. The other fundies who populate these submission boards admit to not reading the Bible, to not going to church, to not doing the basic Christian stuff but fall for every leglistic ploy under the sun.

Something I've noticed, they don't seem to actually read the Bible for themselves or do any word study or try to discern G-d's will for themselves, this leaves them vulnerable to any legalistic and harmful teaching.

At 10:25 PM, Blogger sarah said...

wow. I am really disappointed to hear this. Your posts were always really interesting to me....since I was a victim of that mentality for years.

At 5:48 AM, Blogger DebraBaker said...


I will be here for you if you ever need someone to talk to. I went through a lot because of this legalistic teaching and I want to use those years the locusts have eaten, so to speak, for the good for others.

At 12:11 AM, Blogger sdgirl said...

Oh Debra, I was wondering what happened to you, tinking it couldn't be possible. How sad. I looked forward to reading your posts. I really wonder if I should stay there. I mostly lurk and gather information. I am a different person thanks to all the wise women on that board, but most are gone. I am very sad now

At 6:54 AM, Blogger Rebecca said...


I’ve been on vacation for 10 days and went back to see what had happened there and was looking for your posts because threads you get on usually get pretty interesting. Now I know why I didn’t see any.

Adding this to the list of reasons why I don’t need to spend so much time there…

At 6:56 AM, Blogger Rebecca said...

P.S. I can't read the email link you posted - it just takes you to the discussion main page.

At 3:17 PM, Blogger Rebecca said...

So where are you going to hang out online now?

At 12:39 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

email is

Oh, BTW: I'm over there defending Mamajama right now. They aren't supporting multiculturalism.

At 9:52 AM, Blogger Mammal_Mama said...

I think insecure people are threatened by a good hearty debate; it's seen as adversarial to express disagreement with anyone's opinion, especially if you're verbally proficient enough to express yourself well. I'm wierd, because I actually enjoy the opportunity to express my views to those who challenge me.

At 1:27 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...


I like a good debate as well. I can generally stay friendly with those with whom I disagree, but I can't stand whining and back-stabbing and that's exactly what the fundie sub-wives at MDC do.

And Lilyka with her abusive husband dishing out marital advice, give me a major break, I don't mind you living your own life, but when you try to infect innocent bystanders with your philosophy when your own life is in pieces, I will speak up.

At 9:58 AM, Blogger vbactivist said...

lol...looks like someone finally got her just desserts...

At 2:12 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

Elaborate, vbactivist.

And tell us who you are if you dare.

And don't worry, I have other ways of sharing my opinion at MDC. I have other people helping me convey my thoughts over there.

What part of free speech don't you like?

And what is it about racists and sexists that attracts you?

Or am I misjudging you in some way. Notice, you are free to share your opinions here but MDC reminds me of an old fashioned Stalinist dictatorship.

At 2:14 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

And do you really think *Lilyka* or *Anglebee* accurately represent Christianity?

Or poor gennifer with her drug riddled out of control spending abusive ntiwit of a husband is she being served by everyone telling how inspiring her story is when the rest of th world just wants to vomit because it is so sickening.

At 8:48 PM, Blogger G.M said...

Censorship is very dangerous,

I have been reading Mothering for years and posting on MDC for a good deal of time. There have been so many changes *sigh*
Debra, I have always respected your views and I have learned a great deal from your wisdom. You will be missed.

Blessing and peace...

At 8:59 PM, Blogger Melanie said...

OMG - I just read a post by RiverSky asking where you were. I searched under the members list and couldn't find you. Then someone pm'ed me saying you got kicked off the boards. :( I've read the thread to which you are referring, and I can't believe that you were the person they choose to punish! I just wanted to tell you that your posts have been so wonderful and informative for me! I loved reading your posts, and I will really miss you on MDC.
~ Melanie (MelanieMC on MDC).

At 10:18 PM, Blogger Melanie said...

BTW, Debra, are you a member of the MDC mommas myspace group? If not you should join and keep up with those of us who are members there.

At 10:02 PM, Blogger He1d1 said...

Dang, another one bites the dust :(
What a load of crap!

DB you are so awesome! I always looked up to you and will really miss your brilliant posts.

A Dugger thread just got shut down. Anglebee accused all of us of being anti-Christian when we took issue to how much she *hearts* the Duggars. Wish you were there.

At 9:06 AM, Blogger Shonahsmom said...

Hi Debra,

I'm Shonahsmom from MDC.. I think it blows that you were banned. I appreciated your POV and read your posts with interest.

You linked a way to contact Ms. Mom in this entry... do you want people to contact her to advocate for your re-instatement?

Be Well,

At 9:16 AM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

I want the board restored to prevent a similar thing from happening to other people.

Viva free speech!!

At 10:10 AM, Blogger beanma said...

wow! i have been around a long long time on mdc and left once before over censorship issues, but came back. i've got to think long and hard about whether i will hang out there any more, though. that just sucks. the board is getting a lot more mainstream/conventional anyway. grrrr...

anybody got any tips on new places to hang out? besides in my house sweeping up dog fur dustbunnies?

At 1:53 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

You can leave me an email

MDC is turning into an oligarchy very oppressive. I want to stir the pot a bit to wake up some of the newer members.

A little anarchy, a little of rebellion, a little balance restored.

Does Cynthia Mosher remind anyone else of Rasputin (sp?)?

At 2:03 PM, Blogger Jessica A Bruno said...

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At 12:19 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...


I hope you can get the taste of her anal juices out of your mouth.

Go and do good on the forums. It's all anyone can ask of us is to do good.

At 9:52 PM, Blogger Kelly said...

Hi Debra..

It sucks that you got kicked off..I am sure you and I got in to it a time or two...but I did always enjoy your posts. MDC is full of crap... I asked for my membership to be removed a few weeks choice. It seems as though that place bans or baits any members that have the guts to speak out about them. They are nothing without their members, yet they treat them like shit. Join us on Myspace, we have a thread going about this sort of thing...

And you know MDC is probably reading....*waving to them*

Take care...
Kelly was Kelly81

At 11:37 AM, Blogger DebraBaker said...


Sure I remember you. I don't mind having a nice friendly debate with people, that's not the problem.

MDC is getting worse, getting commercial, googlizing themselves, etc.

It isn't what it has been.

Gee, I haven't visited this blog in awhile, I'm super busy in real life and should really be studying for a big Chem test.

I know MDC has spies, but I don't give a flip. I have alternative identities over there as much as they keep trying to ban IP addresses. It's too funny, but I'm about done with them. I'm really thinking they're turning into some weird Fundie right wingnut place with Angelbee and Lilyka and that ilk. Someone is laughing all the way to the bank.

At 6:26 AM, Blogger Rebecca said...

There have been a number of threads of people asking where you are (they got shut down of course). Just in case you didn't see them - a lot of people have noticed you're gone. Hope your Chem test goes well.

At 1:03 PM, Blogger DebraBaker said...

I've been way too busy for MDC, honestly. I got a 99 in the Chem test.

A 99! I broke down and cried. Poor dh thought something was wrong. It's the best grade in the class. Honestly, Chem isn't my thing, I had to work my ass off to get the grade but the putz in the premed department wanted to see what I had in Chemistry and the gauntlet was thrown.


I must get back to studying, um, er Histology.

At 11:42 AM, Blogger Mammal_Mama said...

Hi Debra,

I'd just registered with MDC right about the time I learned you were kicked off (when I looked it up on the internet, I saw your post just a little way down from the place where I click to go to MDC, and it's still showing up there! That means others are seeing it, too (:). Although I've been enjoying the board, it distresses me to see so many threads get shut down for mod review -- I'd say just when they're getting interesting!

One poster disagreed with me on something -- in the same breath saying she hoped her disagreement wouldn't unravel the thread. I responded that I wasn't at all offended -- but what if I HAD been? What if I were one of those people who doesn't like anyone to disagree with me? Would they have shut the thread down because I was a jerk and got offended? That sucks!

By the way, I haven't found anything about spirituality; is this a section that got removed, too? I was curious because I wanted to dialogue/debate with the wife-only submission crowd you mentioned.

At 8:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I spent several weeks away from MDC for crap like this. I had almost made up my mind to leave for good, but for some reason I just keep going back.

I used to have a women's discussion board. Perhaps I should bring it back?

Getting kicked off a stinkin' message board is just barely a blip on the radar, especially when you have a LIFE. :)

Cheers, Debra!


At 9:20 AM, Blogger TulipGirl said...

Hooray on a 99 in chem!

I'm psyching myself up for a Statistics class in January. I remember when my Dad took statistics, and how much work it required. And since he's one of the most brilliant people I know, well, I'm a little intimidated by statistics.

(Okay, so his was graduate level and I'm taking an undergrad stats class. . . but still. . .)

All this to say, you keep inspiring me, Debra!

At 11:50 AM, Blogger DebraBaker said...


Don't let Stats intimidate you. It isn't that bad, honestly.

BTW: what are you doing academically?


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